The Last Miners

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    1. Woah! First of all, …”something us MIDDLE CLASS men have lost”. Are you assuming, in such a typically middle class way, that all your readers are “middle class men”? That’s ignorant enough to be offensive. At the very least its grossly unaware.
      Secondly, the fawning over some blokes who are “working class” (your labels, not mine) as though they are some primitive jovial OTHER is distasteful. These men aren’t some kind of novelty by which you can gauge your sense of having a more advanced intellect and then lament about it; wallowing in the luxury of being wistful to have the same lack of phyical hang-ups. Its almost snobbery posing as admiration.
      Lastly, much as i appreciate and enjoy this site the blurring of the lines between gay/bi men and straight men is creepy. This constant theme that essentially ALL men are in some way attracted to other men or that all men are going to act out a gay desire at some stage and that is ok for gay/bi guys to expect it and encourage it is the kind of thing we don’t need. We struggle still to achieve equality and fair treatment in society. We still have work to do on this and this from-the-safety-of-home attitude that seems to say ALL guys are up for it and it doesn’t matter how they identify and that we should not respect any definitions that oppose this is REALLY creepy. Especially if its borne from the idea that straight men are somehow more of a man and having sex with straight men is an accomplishment, as though its the “real” thing. We are not some second rate imitation of a real man, our relationships/sexual life is not a constructed poor imitation of a heterosexual one and not all men have an attraction to other men that they will act out sooner or later and it’s not cool for us to pursue this idea and novelise and predate, even if it is just online. It regresses all that we have had to fight for to be accepted and its basically the fantasy of unrealistic men.

      1. “Woah! First of all, …”something us MIDDLE CLASS men have lost”. Are you assuming, in such a typically middle class way, that all your readers are “middle class men”? That’s ignorant enough to be offensive.” Yikes! Easy does it! Since I made the comment about middle class men, I have to respond. It’s true I’m middle class, but that doesn’t mean that I assume that all the readers on this site are middle class. I know for a fact they aren’t. I’m ignorant about a lot of things, but not that. Secondly, I expressed my admiration for the men in the video clip, not just their manly bodies and fun they are having, naked, with each other, but also their cheeriness after what I assume, without the least bit of condescension, must have been hard days work. You don’t have to be working class to admire working men, and if anything, this site is absolutely dedicated to, if not obsessed with, the working man, not airy fairy middle class intellectuals like myself!

        Moreover, you imply that I have to be working class myself in order to be allowed to comment on working class men and their culture. This is a HUGE, and quite idiotic if it wasn’t so hegemonic, problem, not just in academic studies these days but in everyday life. If you’re not Black, you can’t express opinions about jazz; if you’re not a woman, you can’t talk about feminism or be a “feminist”; if your not Gay, you can’t talk about sex with men. Or heaven forbid, actually have sex with a man! Etc. This is, quite simply, utter BS.

        What I, if I may be allowed to respond to you in kind, find offensive is your misrepresentation of me and my views about working men, about which you know absolutely nothing (my views that is; are you “working class” yourself?). Even more offensive, and not just to me I’m sure, is the the way you characterise the conversation about men, their bodies, and their sexualities, that takes place on this site. I think you misrepresent my views and those that are presented everywhere on The HaPenis Project totally.

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